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May 11, 2006

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This is just another example of why FORMER Chief Parks was fired. He is a bitter man who continues to tarnish the vast majority of officers trying to do their best. The actions of the LAPD regarding crime statistics were done openly and to comply with FBI guidelines. Maybe if Chief Parks had focused on such things rather than destroying the morale of the department he would still be chief.

Is it truly crime reduction or is it crime displacement? I read both the article written by Kerry Cavanaugh, Staff Writer LA Daily News and your LAPD retort and was somewhat dismayed.
I believe that Cavanaugh article is fair and raises question that are valid. I also understand that law enforcement has at time used smoke and mirrors to change statistics on crime. That is not my accusation with this posting, what I am concern is the misinformation provided in this response.. Law enforcement responds to crime, and does not reduce it but displaces it. What I mean is if crime goes down in one jurisdiction the likelihood is that it is going up elsewhere.
No matter what law enforcement does at best they displace crime not solve the problem. Statistics may appease some, but until the truth is shared with the public the best we can hope for is smoke and mirrors for a response.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with the fact that just because crim goes down in one area that it necessarily rises in another. Nor would I even necessarily agree with that being the most common occurence. I am sure there are volumes of studies on the matter and you should consult and/or quote those when making assumptions on those matters. I am an unbiased observer as I live in VA, but found this blog through one of my normal sites that covers technology and things of that sort. It's refreshing that the LAPD is taking these steps to open channels of communication. It at least, in my opinion, shows a willingness to hear and be heard. Whatever you think of anyone, taking those steps is an important one. Also, the retort to the editorial was, if nothing else, spectacularly well written. Kudos for that. Live well LA-ians.

The changing face of the LAPD

Revised edition

What a Joke of an article! Hire the best person period! Man, Woman, Black, White, Asian, Hispanic it does not matter. Just the BEST, most qualified "person" for the job, and you will reap what you sow. Rafael Perez was a product of Chief Parks "Diversity Plan." You have great people on LAPD, but for the most part hiring the best person for the job is what you are not doing. You are discriminating against male whites on a regular basis, just ask the "Service Minded Military men" that you turn away every year! Good job. I guess we don't count. And I am sorry, do you really think that someone who has even tried heroin should carry a gun?????? But God forbid you have a tattoo, not depicting gang life! I personally do not have any tattoos, but I have no problem seeing a Police Officer with non-gang style tattoos. However I have a huge problem giving someone who has dabbled in Heroin, PCP or rock cocaine a gun, and ask them to deal with drugs on a daily basis! And You only have to thank Chief Parks for Perez and Derden! It was not a "Rampart scandal" it was two former gang members who were able go get hired onto LAPD under forced diversity, and lowering of the standards! You reap what you sow, Derden was turned down by 8 neighboring Police Departments, that's EIGHT!!!! Hire the BEST person for the job and you will have the BEST men, women, blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians and any other race for the job, period!

Next issue: Stop being a coward when it comes to backing our Police Officers. You should take a page out of the Chicago Police Chiefs book. The day after an Officer was involved in a shooting with an armed suspect, the preliminary investigation revealed that the Officers actions appeared to be justified. The Chief then stated so at a live press conference. You and our coward of a mayor leave to much unsaid, which creates an unsafe environment for the good people of Los Angeles. Sometimes you have to call it like it is, and remember that the Officer involved deserves your backing. And you as the Chief owe it to him and the people of Los Angeles. You came sprinting out of the gates when you first took over, but WOW have you turned into a complete coward with the "community activists" dictating how you, cough, cough, lead. You are NEVER going to make this great city safer by sticking your wet finger in the air to see which way the Political winds are blowing. And because the public does not see how jacked up you are running things, only means your running on borrowed time. Also you have to many YES MEN around you telling you what you want to hear. Step out of your Office for a 12 hour shift and go down to Newton, 77th, southeast or Rampart and get in a Patrol car with an aggressive P-2 so you can see what it's like being a street cop in today's world. And don't get in the car with a slug who is going to kiss your butt. Stop being such a pansy and let your Officers do their jobs. And the consent decree has to go, it does NOTHING but suck millions of dollars from the city. And the criminals that are auditing us are stealing MILLIONS from the city that could fund more Police and or training and equipment that we need. We need the money for other things far more relevant than the consent decree. And for anyone who believes that the consent decree is a great idea for "uncovering bad Officers"? Stop watching your Serpicco DVD over and over and pull your head out of the sand! The view is much clearer up here. Teams II is going to be a way to fire good cops that are aggressive! NEWS FLASH, there are BAD people out there that need to be dealt with and if you keep back handing the patrol Officers they will respond by the drive and wave tactic! And you will have your diverse Police force that is to scared to go down to South Central LA and deal with 250lb parolee's. Then people are going to get hurt and die! Because the gangsters will run the city.
I will yield that the books are being cooked, but not by the Patrol Officers, it's the upper brass not wanting to lose their precious rank, and to restrained by their fear of the Chief to speak up! I will have my ear to the ground and will be waiting to hear you in foot pursuit of an ADW suspect with a gun, in South Central not some BS training tape.
In closing Chief tell Antonio Villaragosa and John Mack (he is a complete joke) to go POUND sand and protect this city by letting your Officers do their work. And BACK them UP in the press, up front not 1 year down the road after the fact! And if you cannot go out to an OIS and after the preliminary investigation by trained detectives, it appears that the Officers are in the Right, maybe you are not the Police Officer that you profess to be. Helen Kellar could see, 99% of the time, the Officer is justified! So like the lion in the Wizard of OZ, find your C, C, Courage and look into that TV camera and state the initial findings of the OIS or use of force investigation!

And to all the real Police Officers in and out there. Stay Safe!

Bob- What is your assertion that "if crime goes down in one juridiction the likelihood is that it is going up elsewhere" based on? I mean, that could be the case, but on the other hand, crime could be going down...

I agree with the article because according to the way that crimes are classified it will make a citizen think twice about actually reporting a crime and/or being truthful about the entire incident. Statistically the numbers of domestic violence cases has decreased because of the labeling that it assigned to this crime.
"A FELONY"
Moreover statistically as the department is aware of, most domestic violence crimes are committed by the victims loved ones/family members. Who wants someone that they care or cared for to have the label as a felon? I must question the validity and reliability of your statistics because of victims reporting the crime.

I have the upmost respect for the officers that risk their lives everyday and I am especially thankfull for the ones that care about domestic violence and take it seriously.I am trying to become a officer myself.I think everyone should have the divine right to live peacefully.Those that don't want peace are the reason I must become a police officer and help get violence,drugs and among other terrible unhuman acts of behavior off of the streets so that children can play outside without being scared.That is what I hope for in becoming a officer of the law. sincerely, Wednesday Harbison Bartlett,TN.

"Crime" isn't an ameoboid fog. It is something generated by individual acts. If a criminal is taken off the streets then the public is safer. There is not some invisible hand of balance that magically pops another criminal into existance somewhere else.

I think communities and activists within communities have a new opportunity here. The sooner we develop a mutually satisfying vocabulary the better. Unless the LAPD has a 'smoke and mirrors' department, you're really just profaning their efforts to communicate.

I start with the premise that the cops are trying to accomplish something all of us want accomplished.

CRIME IS NOT DOWN!!! THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE CRIME IS CHANGED SO THAT THE DEPARTMENT CAN SAY SEE LOOK VIOLENT CRIMES ARE DOWN OR PROPERTY CRIME IS DOWN. ITS A ILLUSION THAT WILL SOON CATCH UP WITH THE DEPARTMENT!!I PROMISE...JUST KEEPING WATCHING YOUR LOCAL NEWS!!!!

Tim,
I whole heartedly agree. I applied to LAPD in the late 90's with several years in the shoplift field and a BA degree. I sat in the interview waiting room with several others and I watched as every white male was denied advancement for one reason or another (mine was not being able to afford auto insurance in college, years before).
I know of a few LAPD officers that I used to work with and they're not white nor speak Spanish, but they were hired.
I also have other friends with the same story. Border patrol and the LAFD seem to operate the same way. Anyone who listens to a scanner can pick out the incompetent individuals. It's not hard to tell what type of hirees they are.
It seems white skin has made me the enemy (college funding was similar as well.)

Bob said: "No matter what law enforcement does at best they displace crime not solve the problem. Statistics may appease some, but until the truth is shared with the public the best we can hope for is smoke and mirrors for a response."

I realize there are a lot of criminologists running around universities who subscribe to that theory. I really only have one response: Please explain the dramatic decreases in crime that Chief Bratton achieved as head of the New York City Transit Police and then the New York City Police Department. In some instances crime was reduced by 70%! I hardly think the crime was "displaced," it was in fact eliminated. CompStat is not only about statistics, it is an entire process, and it works.

Read "Crime Fighter" by Jack Maple (one of the smartest cops who ever lived IMHO) if you want to understand more about this.

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