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July 17, 2006

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This should not have happened. This gang member is in this country illegally. He was deported once after serving time for murder and them came back into the US. If these were my children that were involved, I would guarantee that the mayor would be under fire right now for his stand on the illegal immigration problem. Our borders need to be closed before anymore innocent children die!

Right on Kim! Chief Bratton (special order 40?), John Mack, Connie Rice and the Mayor would all hear from me, as would CNN, FOX, MSNBC and every major print media in the land! Our children don't count to the Mayor, only the Political future of the left-wing, Socialist's like those named. What a shame that this great city is lead by these types of wet finger in the air political hacks. Our children are paying the price. My prayers go out too those children and their families, they have a long road to recovery, both physical and mental. Good job Mayor they are reaping what you have sewn. I don't doubt that the Mayor and all of those named do not feel bad for the children in these cases, but they soon forget and go back to the politics at hand. Find a camera to throw your mug in front of and go home!
You better start empowering the LAPD again and let us start hitting these gangsters hard again, across the board, black, hispanic, asian and white! A good gangster is a SCARED gangster! Only then will the city start to be safe for the children again. Force and violence can only be met with OVERWHELMING FORCE and OVERWHELMING VIOLENCE in order for these gangsters to think twice about commiting these crimes. You have the watch dog that's trained to do that job, you just need to take him off that leash, and say SICK'EM. Then stand by!
To all my fellow Worriors, Stay Safe.
Ed

We as citizens must ask our local leaders to issue Carry Concealed Weapon perimits. This senseless killings all around us must stop.. The other states that issue CCW permits have had a fifty percent reduction in killings, Rape, Burgulary and so on. This permit would only be issued to law abiding Citizens w/ good records.
It's time to wake up and get armed. These people shooting have no fear to do this cause the chances of being caught are low and the victims are unarmed.

Thanks for reading..

Two young children shot by a convicted gangmember, who should either still be in jail or DEAD. Yes I said DEAD, the two children still living is an act of God. But the A-HOle who shot them is not, that's our fault. If I sound angry, I am, and how the city Leaders are not amazes me. A teenage girl murdered, a day later two of her friends murdered. But the biggest news story "mayor wisked out of arms way when a shooting erupts". The mayor has highly trained security and at no point was he in danger, but todays media that was their "big story". Maybe it will get so bad our so-called Leaders will actually take a stand and make decisions that will help the community, not their political or career future.
Two Children shot in their front yard playing, a tragedy to say the least, but since they survived I guess the leaders are okay with that.

Right on Ed, as ussual! If I were the parents of that family I woud sue the gang as an entity, and the Mayor as well as Chief Bratton and the "community activists" for allowing the gangmembers conduct terrorism like violence on there children. If you are not empowering the Police then you are empowering the gangsters. I too will pray for that family and that we get the tools we need, not just lip service, to fight these terrorists!
Maybe if Connie Rice stopped talking to the 20 year Admin Officers (NO REAL street time, NONE) or got victimized by one of these gangsters she might understand why they only understand brute force! They don't respond to hugs and pleading! And don't even get me started on that John Mack dude! The good people down in South Central have NO real community leaders, at least none that have a platform for their voice! If they do not agree that the Police are bad then they get no air time! enough is enough! How many more inoccent children have to lose their lives before the Mayor does something about it, other than standing in front of a camera and waxing about change! Get it DONE !!!!! We need another Operation HAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Silent majority

let's not be ignorant about what we say in regard to illegal immigration. The majority of illegal immigrants do not commit crimes. We are dealing with only a handful of immigrants who are involved in criminal activity. Most crimes in Los Angeles and in the nation are committed not by illegals but by U.S. citizens. We are quick to point the finger at everyone else around us except ourselves. Our children turn out the way we, the parents, allow them to turn out. We are the ones responsible for their upbringing and ultimately should be held responsible for their actions. We should be outraged about these innocent children being shot, not because it was done by an illegal, but because it was a senseless act of violence against our children, regardless of who committed the crime. Illegal immigration is not what's causing the increase in crime in our city. How many drive by shootings, robberies or sexually driven murders are committed by blacks, whites, and U.S. born hispanics and asians? The majority are committed by these groups. I agree that the police department should be given back their tools to fight crime more effectively and without fear of losing their jobs or being sued if they act against those that they know for a fact are committing crimes. I also fully agree that law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry concealed weapons. Criminals would think twice about attacking someone if they thought that the intended victim could pull out a gun and shoot them. The Mayor, L.A. Police Chief and the Sheriff are doing all they can within the legal limits to try and stop the wave of violence but, unfortunately, they cannot do it all by themselves. The City Council does not always support their ideas and initiatives, so what can they do on their own? They just sit back, criticize and kill their proposed solutions. The fact is that we need more good police officers on the street and special teams that concentrate fully on murders, gangs, drugs and quality of life issues. The community should stand behind law enforcement officials and accept their solutions even if it does cost us 1/4 cent more in taxes. Big deal, I'd be willing to pay much, much more if it meant keeping my family safe and alive.

The common theme across the board is that we are all tired of the senseless shootings of innocent people. Over my 25-year career, I've been to many murder scenes, some to this day I still think about. Such a waste of talent. Someone once said that "unfortunately" cemetaries are filled with untapped potential.

Hey Lt.
Our own Police Department is filled with "untapped potential"! The men and women of the LAPD want to go out and smash these gangs into the ground, figuratively and physically, but we are held back by the upper echaleon of this city! We could have a safer city tomorrow! Bring back Operation Hammer, we have more tools this time around, we can squash out these gangs in a New York minute! Just let us off the leash! War and Police work are not pretty, but they both need to be fought, and fought tough in the trenches, not by some boot licking politician waxing intalectual with a study done about why the LAPD is a bunch of worriors! I am proud to be called a Worrior! Now stand up and let us do our jobs! The Chief can still be a real Chief of Police, it's not to late! But he needs to be a profile in courage and make the unpopular moves, unpopular with the Mayor and his ilk, but popular with the law abiding people of Los Angeles! And allow his law abiding people to carry concealed weapons! That will give the gangsters something to think about!

Stay Safe
Ed

It's been repeated that an armed society is a polite society. The intended victim of a shooting may not be able to beat his attacker to the draw, but the lady walking a dog across the street with a CCW permit and pistol may be the one to return fire in immediate defense of life when she sees the attacker trying to murder his victim. When society's wolves have to start considering the factor that there are armed shepherds--dressed as sheep--mixed into their prey, they may not be as eager to pounce on every opportunity they see.

I happen to support a high standard of training (in safety, handling, and the law) for weapons carriers, above and beyond the "good citizen with no criminal record" requirement. It's a huge responsibility choosing to carry and can often result in more trouble for a person than he realizes.

Here I am again, I just visited our home page website LAPDONLINE.org and guess what is the first thing you see. RAMPART RECONSIDERED - BLUE PANEL RAMPART REVIEW PANEL. It's obvious who the department is trying to please and make happy. The liberal critics of the police who think the police are racist and heavyhanded. I haven't seen one of the so called leaders of the minority groups coming out with outrage about the two children being shot or the three killed in West LA. So in my opinion the department is just as much to blame for bowing down to the small loud special interest groups. How's this as a reply: "THE LAPD IS TAKING A PROACTIVE STANCE TO MAKING LA A SAFER CITY, IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY EXPECT TO BE DEALT WITH. WE WILL BE USING ALL AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND LEGAL TOOLS TO STOP GANG VIOLENCE AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. IF THIS OFFENDS YOU, I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT IS THE MAIN FUNCTION OF THE LAPD TO KEEP THE CITIZENS OF LA SAFE IN THEIR OWN CITY". Thank you very much, I must go now I have a Police Department to run.

I just wish people would get as upset and vocal about two innocent children being shot as they do when a LAPD officer uses a flashlight to subdue a VIOLENT, FLEEING, CRIMINAL. Maybe I will never understand

Steve, I do agree that not all immigrants are criminals. Only those who come into the country illegally. (See the word "illegal"). This particular incident could have been avoided had this criminal not been allowed back in after being deported. This is my point. Yes, our society as a whole has many criminals, white, black, hispanic, asian, you name it! We cannot solve all of our problems at once, but we have to start somewhere. Illegal immigration is a big problem here in LA and it cannot be pushed under the rug forever. If these were my children, I would be persuing this through the courts, all the way up the ladder! Mayor Villargoisa would just be the starting point! I pray FOX, CNN and all other media outlets get this story out so people will be able to be heard when it comes time for re-election.

Good job Mayor! Where are the 1000 Police Officers you promised the city while you were running for Mayor? I will tell you where, anywhere but here! They don't want to work for a city goverment that thinks it's ok for the gangsters to kill children! You can not say that you don't side with the gangs, look at what you and the mostly anti-Police, Police Commision do to your Officers! Hang them out to dry instead of taking these parents to task on there absent parenting. Guess what while you were being wisked away during the shooting the other night and got to go home, these poor kids, here legally or illegally had to stay there in a WAR ZONE! And c'mon that's West LA imagine what the kids in South Central have to deal with? These gang members down here are SAVAGES! We might be Worriors, but the gang members are complete savages! And our City Government is failing our kids! So is the Chief of Police! Look out small outlining towns like Burbank, Glendale Culver City or Santa Monica, the trash we won't take care of is coming for your kids too! Someone better speak up! Mrs. Rice had some good points in her "STUDY" but most of it was complete JUNK! Consent decree has to go if the our City's kids are ever going to be safe from these gang members! And say good bye to Special order 40! If you are not a gangmember or a complete crimminal, you will have nothing to worry about!

Connie Rice and her ilk may think of me as a 'warrior' or a 'gunslinger', but when they call 911, who do they want showing up when a gang member is climbing through their WLA compound?

Do they want the 'community-minded social worker' cop, who will watch the take their time going to the call in order to avoid danger, or do they want the 'warrior' who will put his life between those of the gang member and the victim?

I know who I want responding to my home when my wife is alone at home.

There's no in between people, it's one or the other.

Remember the police can't protect you. They usally show up after the crime has been commited...Get your wife a weapon (handgun). Train her to use properly and when to shoot. Thats your best chance of survival when a gang member is entering your house. As citizens we must learn to protect ourselves. The LAPD cannot be every where to protect us. They would like you to think they can but they cannot. Pepper spray, non Lethal Tasers and a handgun is my Protection. Including the Cell phone that I will not dial 911 because it takes 5 or more minutes to make contact w/ the operator. I suggest you get your local police station phone numbers put into your phone book(cell) The chances of them answering quickly and responding is greater.

George, please don't give out bad info. Calling your local Police station is not a good idea. They do not dispatch calls from the station, they will only transfer your call to 911 and you will still have to wait.

The best bet is to call 911 from an actual landline. When you call 911 from a cell it goes to CHP dispatch and the it gets transfered to the local agency.

FYI.

CLOSE THE BORDERS!

WE ARE LOSING CONTROL!

PROSECUTION IS NILL BECAUSE THEY HOP BACK OVER THE BOARDER!

AMAZING! THIS COUNTRY HAS NO BALLS! WE LET ANYONE FROM ANY WHERE WALK ALL OVER US!

I FEEL FEAR FOR MY CHILDREN'S FUTURE!

I keep seeing comments in this thread that reflect a belief in scarcity, and a climate of ego based fear. I live in Rampart Div, work in Santa Monica, have family in Antelope Valley, and travel all over the county day and night. I do not live in fear. I don't feel personally helpless. I don't want a gun. I see good people everywhere I go. I also see people who need to learn how to make better choices. I don't want walls around my country, or bars on my windows. I don't want any more dead cops and soldiers. I do want you, especially you, Ed, to stop and breathe, and help me vision a world which works for everyone. It is here, if we but see it. You are alive to be the change we want to see. Your LEO lives are examples in and of themselves. Don't die for me; don't fight for me; just stand in your own integrity and shine. Be a good witness and LIVE. When the world wakes up from it's collective bad dream, it is your beautiful faces I want to see. Leave your gun at work today, Ed, and come downtown and stroll Central with me at 10 PM. I'll protect you this time. Yr friend,Kim

VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE///WE DON'T NEED MORE VIOLENCE WE NEED PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PROVIDE FREEDOM TO THOSE WHO OBEY AND A LIFE OF DEBT TO THOSE WHO DON'T. CRIMINALS SHOULD BUILD SUBWAYS AND SEWERS AND ECO FRIENDLY TRANSFORMERS AND BE A CONTRIBUTING LABOR FORCE. HARD WORK MAKE A PERSON FEEL PRODUCTIVE AND GIVES FEELINGS OF ACCOMPLISHMENT.

DONT BELEVE EVERY THING THAT LAPD PUTS OUT THERE..JIMENEZ WAS INVITED TO THE BABY SHOWER THAT KIMBELY WAS THROWING FOR HER SISTER AND AT THE TIME KIMBERLY (THE CHILDRENS AUNT) WAS DATING JIMENEZ AND WAS GIVING HIM BEER AND LIQUOR,SHE HAD JUST RESENTLY ABTAINED COSTODY OF HER NEPHEWS CAUSE THE MOTHER WAS DOING DRUGS AND DEEPLY INVOLVED IN GANGS. SO WHEN JIMENEZ WAS AT KIMBERLY'S HOUSE RIVAL GANG MEMBERS FROM KIMBERLY'S FAMILY SHOWED UP AND WITH OUT INSEDENT JIMENEZ WHILE DRUNK STOOD UP AND UNFORTUNATLY HAD A GUN ON HIS LAP, WHEN HE DID SO HE DROPED THE GUN THE GUN BOUNCED AND IT FIRED A SINGLE SHOT.THE THE BULLET HIT THE 1ST BOY WHENT THREW HIM AND HIT HIS BROTHER.THAT DAY THIS IS WHAT REALLY HAPPEND IT WAS NEVER INTENTINAL.IT WAS AN ACCEDENT.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE. BUT KIMBERLY LIED SO THAT D.C.F.S. WOULD NOT TAKE THE CHILDREN AGIAN CAUSE THEY WERE AROUND GANG MEMBERS.HER FAMILY AND HER FRIEND JIMENEZ.AFTER EVERY THING PEOPLE WHO KNOW JIMENEZ KNOW HE HAS A SON AND WOULD NEVER EVER HURT A CHILD.AND YES WHEN HE WENT TO JAIL 2 YEARS FOR MAN SLAUTER, THE LAST TIME. HE DID KILL A KNOWN PEDIFILE GANG MEMBER FROM MARA SALVATRUCHA CAUSE THE MAN HAD ONE OF HIS HOMEBOYS WITH A GUN TO HIS HEAD. WHO AT THAT TIME HIS HOMEBOY WAS ONLY 13 YEARS OLD.AND THAT MARA GANGMEMBER HAD BEEN IN PRISON IN HIS NATIVE LAND.SO HE WASN'T AS INOCENT AS LAPD WANTS TO MAKE THE MARA GANG MEMBER BE.

LAPD SHOULD TRY TO HELP THERE COMMUNITY AND HELP GET THESE KIDS THAT HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON THERE HANDS GET JOBS,OR MAKE A SCHOOL ON THE POLICE SIGHT FOR AT RISK YOUTH.SO THERE WILL BE A REAL SAFE HAVEN. NOT JUST TALK.OR
HELP THEM GET TRAINING FOR SOME KIND OF TRAID THAT IS REALISTICKLY AT THERE REACH.
INSTED OF JUST KILLING OUR KIDS AND LOCKING THEM UP AND FOR GETTING ABOUT THEM.... HELP THEM,HELP THERE SELVES,THEY WILL WANT IT OR COURT ORDER IT LIKE COMMUNITY SERVICE.

SINCERLY,
SOME ONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE.
AND HAS DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT..
HELPED!

"Gang Specialist" wrote:

"LAPD SHOULD TRY TO HELP THERE COMMUNITY AND HELP GET THESE KIDS THAT HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON THERE HANDS GET JOBS,OR MAKE A SCHOOL ON THE POLICE SIGHT FOR AT RISK YOUTH.SO THERE WILL BE A REAL SAFE HAVEN. NOT JUST TALK.OR HELP THEM GET TRAINING FOR SOME KIND OF TRAID THAT IS REALISTICKLY AT THERE REACH. INSTED OF JUST KILLING OUR KIDS AND LOCKING THEM UP AND FOR GETTING ABOUT THEM.... HELP THEM,HELP THERE SELVES,THEY WILL WANT IT OR COURT ORDER IT LIKE COMMUNITY SERVICE.

SINCERLY,
SOME ONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE.
AND HAS DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT..HELPED!"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LAUSD at it's best..........but I digress.

The LAPD is not a social service agency, nor is it in the business of getting gang members a job. The police is the enforcement arm of government and their job is to arrest those who don't want to live by the rules of society and bring those people to a jury of their peers to be judged.

Now, as far as gang members with manslaughter convictions carrying guns to a birthday party, or carrying guns at all for that matter, I personally look at it as a choice that carries predictable results. The party hosts who have kids around and ALLOWED a gangster to sit with a gun on his lap and drink alcohol also made a choice.

Ye reap what you sow.

Violence never will be resolved by repression and deportation. If your society would think about his disfunctions, inequalities, inclusion social this situation would be diferent. Problems isnt gangs, solution isnt prison and deportation, the problem is in the cause of this phenomenoum! Open your eyes

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