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September 12, 2006

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Thank you Chief. As a candidate for LAPD this message comes as an inspiration to continue in the process and to make the effort of being and giving the best. It really feels good knowing that our Chief looks out for his boys and girls in blue and most of all our community.

MagDlina, Speak to some officers, before you make such an approving statement. Remember the Chief was brought here to help select a new chief and low and behold he "recommended" himself as the best candidate. Chief if one of your adjutants reads this. The LAPD is very disappointed with you and your leadership. It's not to late to change that. Here is my recommendation;

1. Be the Chief of LAPD and act like it!
2. Stop being a Politician, you are not an elected official!

m officer,

You cannot claim to speak for the entire Department. Although there is always room for improvement, I believe that the job is better now than it was five years ago. We gained a flexible work schedule and lost the double jeopardy of the boards of inquiry. Certainly we could use more and better equipment, more officers and consistent quality supervision.

We need to remember that the Chief does not answer only to the troops, but also to the City Council, the Police Commission, the Mayor and the citizens of the City. When the voters decided on term limits for the chief's job, they essentially made it a political office. Every new chief and aspiring chiefs will be politicians because that's how you get the job.

M is right. Cops do count. If the Chief can't be the Chief and he wants to be a polititian he is going to make alot of cops pretty angry. And that is what's happing now. Police Officers are being sacrificed to political preasure. We are being hung out to dry. Magdlina, you should really go talk to some cops and I don't mean any of the leadership on this department. AS far as their concerned things are just fine. They are not. Cops are not being treated fairly by the leadership on the police department.There is an unfair complaint system and an unfair disciplinary system. You should think twice. And to the leadership on this department if you can't be the right kind of leaders and if you want crime to continue to lower, take care of your men and women. Otherwise we will go back to the smile and wave attitude to save our own careers.

Amen, M Officer!!!

Chief Bratton
I apologize for questioning your true concern for the Men and Women of LAPD. If you read this blog, you will know I have several posts. I read the entries and try to make a real response, not a "politically correct" one. I know you may not be able to do the same. I just think if the officers felt they were getting a fair shake, we wouldn't be so upset.

I got a response from Deputy Chief Moore, and to no surprise, it was an attack by him, for questioning his decisions. That's my point, he barks out orders, yet there is no dialogue. This is an open forum and maybe I have over reacted and posted some things out of emotion and frustration. But Chief Moore accuses me of sitting behind my keyboard and "shooting from the hip". I guess that's how officers see management in regards to their treatment of Officers.
Maybe this will get to you, let me know what you think.

I Love LAPD and my fellow officers, I give 100% to my career, we are trying to do the right thing. Yet I feel there is more emphasis on P.S.B. and integrity stings and the "numbers game". Maybe I am wrong, I am just expressing how I feel. I hope you don't come at me like Chief Moore did. I want the LAPD to continue to be the BEST law enforcement agency.

Thanks for the support Ed and Harry, I wish more would voice their opinions, even when they are opposed to mine.

Policegirl, I didn't claim to speak for the whole department, if I did make that reference, I did not mean too. Yes things are better, but considering how bad things were, I can't imagine how it couldn't get better. If you feel every Chief and aspiring new Chief will be a politician and you accept that, than I guess we have lost the ability to have a true leader. And you being okay with that disappoints me.

M, I totally agree with you and understand your frustration. Many Officers on this department feel that the department and the city are against them. I understand that there may be a few bad apples in the LAPD that really make it hard for 99.9% of the rest of us hard working Officers, but that does not mean that we all have to be treated like dirt. Seems like all of the supervisor’s only watch after themselves, and there are thousands of frivolous complaints from angry arrestees that effect our promotions. And on top of that, LAPD, especially the South end, is the hardest area to do police work. I already know 7 Officers in the recent months who have applied for outside agencies, simply because those agencies appear to back their officers better, and they definitely have a better working environment.

If you look at things on a whole, LAPD officers make more arrest, deal with the most dangerous criminals, and have the hardest political environment in the nation. When you look at all of these factors, we as Officers need our leaders and politicians to have our backs and believe in us. When we lose that, we lose our ability to control crime. The leaders and politicians want results from us, then PLEASE, give us some more support!!! If not, I think that a lot of good LAPD Officers will be wearing the uniforms and badges of our neighboring agencies.

Also remember, Dep. Chief Moore was the supposed leader who called his Rampart officers, "cannon fodder". Unbelievable. He ruled Rampart with a micro-managing fist. When he left our officers gave a big yell of hooraah! His kind of leadership is what officers fear. He was promoted on the hard work that Rampart officers produced. Some of the "brass" we have on the Dept are back door leaders. Thet come in the back door and you never see them. They show up in roll calls once in a blue moon and when they do they talk about numbers or what bad has happened.
Dep Moore, I worked for that guy for two years and he never new who his officers where. They were not important. I got coffee at the same Starbucks he did just about every day and he could not recognize me and had no idea i was an officer from his station. I was just "cannon fodder".

Chief,
You might want to look into why the Psychologists who work for Medical Services Division continue to DQ strong applicants for petty reasons or outright non-issues. In many cases, they won't even give the applicant the reason for the DQ. These "untouchables" who cannot be fired, seem to have differing agendas than does the LAPD with regards to hiring the best applicants....Are these the best qualified people for the job? Have any pre-employnment investigations been done on them??

I wasn't defending the politicization of the chief job, just explaining it. There are some things you cannot change, and railing against the system achieves nothing. If you want change, then work towards it. Sign up for the sergeant test; put your ideas of leadership into action.

It doesnt surprise me that you would say something like take the SGT's test!!!

MagDlina,

Talk to some Officers before making your final decision. Police Officers are a commodity in the 21st century. Every major City in the US is continuously hiring Officers.

The LAPD is a great place to work in the first 4-7 years of your carrier. After that you have experienced the 1.28 Complaint/PSB process. You will have at least 1 sustained complaint for nonsense. Then you will realize that even the most straight-laced, hard working, well-educated Officers are not immune from the system.

I have the highest hopes for what was once the greatest Police Department in the world. LAPD needs the equipment, (UPRs mounted next to the shotgun instead of the POD). Officers need to know that if they act in an appropriate manner with good intentions, the Department will support them.

MagDlina I wish you luck. When you reach your five year mark, I guarantee you will have contemplated leaving the great LAPD.

I find it disheartening to read posts discouraging applicants from coming to LAPD. If we want to improve our Department, we should be recruiting quality candidates, not scaring them away. Nowhere else do you have the opportunities we have here. If you piss someone off in a small agency, you have no place to go. In the LAPD, we have 19 geographical areas, specialized units, helicopters, horses, dogs, dope, vice, bikes and more. We have so much to offer and so desperately need good officers.

To those of you who have met stumbling blocks in the application process, I am sorry. That is an area in which I have no expertise; although I believe it to be City Personnel who makes it so difficult. It has been many years since I went through that process, and I know much has changed.

I'm not naive, I know LAPD is far from perfect. But to keep disparaging the Department and discouraging candidates is not the way to make it better.

I know exactly how the 1.28 feels. I think LAPD management feels like, if you have several frivolous complaints, one of them must be a good one, thus the complaint gets sustained... and trust me, LAPD management does NOT care whether this affects your career in any way. I have gone through this many times, and working in Southworst, doesn’t make things better for me, since it seems like every angry arrestee complains, and a way that they get back at the officer, is to file a complaint. Stupid!!! It’s just so frustrating, so I am also in the process of moving over to a different police agency. I have a hire date for November, and trust me, I will not regret leaving the LAPD. Maybe, just maybe when the LAPD changes their 1.28 process, I might come back, but until then, I’ll be leaving for greener pastures. Chief Bratton, if you read these blogs, then understand that the 1.28 system, and the lack of support that the department, and city offers its Officers, is a big reason why Officers are leaving, and will be leaving in droves... Good luck filling 1000 new Officers, and if that does happen within the next few years, good luck training them with Officers that do not have experience... I thank the LAPD for the great training, however, I’ll be utilizing it elsewhere…

I don't think that Chief Bratton reads this blog, I have made requests for him to respond, haven't seen one yet..........

I don't think that Chief Bratton reads this blog, I have made requests for him to respond, haven't seen one yet..........

Tell it like it is...

I understand what you say and where you are coming from. I understand that there might me a ridiculous amount of complaints filed against police officers on a daily basis. If... If I were to become a police officer I know I will be face to face with those situations, however, I am not joining the police department for the pay, fame (or infamy) nor to just get a job. I will take my carrier as a Police Officer to help the city that has given so much to me to make it a better place for all of us.
I know I will not always be the good guy in the eyes of the people I serve, yet I will always try to do what is best for me and my community and I will do so with the help of god and the people who believe in me.

Thank you, but you have not discouraged me from joining the LAPD.

-Mag

Mag will find out that the managment on the dept does not care about him and that they will throw away his career in a heartbeat. I see people every week that want to become LA police officers. And i tell them like it is. Go where you are treated with respect and treated fairly. Go where you are backed by your department. Go where you can be a good aggressive cop and not have to be worried about being stabbed in the back by your own deptartment with B.S. complaints.

MagDlina,

I think it is great that you want to come on the department for all the right reasons. However after doing your probation in Southeast and beeing wheeled to Southwest, your attitudes might change.

If you hope to help the city, you are actually refering to the residents of LA. Some residents will tell you how pleased they are and you will feel good. Then the next 100 people will tell you to F-off or worse shoot at you. After serving the city you love so much, one of the residents will complain against you. The complaint will come and go. Later another complaint will come and this time you are admonished. Years later a third complaint will come and you now have a pattern of behavior. This pattern will punish you forever.

According to "leaving LAPD," we need to hire 1001 Officers. Maybe MagDlina is the one thousand and first!

Leaving LAPD,

you should leave,with your attitude, you are doing a disservice to your fellow officers and the community while you work here. But hey, you can always say "I used to be an LAPD Officer". Don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. If I personally knew you, i would'nt want you to come back when things got better, oh i don't know, call it, "if you cant stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen". I used to work Southwest, and when i was there the senior officers called it "Southbest". But the officers made it that way, if your gonna complain and not be a part of the solution, then you need to leave, have fun working an L car....
We as individuals control what our carrer will be like, ofcourse there are going to be false complaints,investigations,suspension days, getting slammed on the desk,working the kit room, no public contact, but if you can look yourself in the mirror and know that you did all that you had to, and you had the best intentions, and you still get burned....thats part of the game. you will not be the first or the last to go through that. you gather yourself and you keep ground pounding next to your fellow officers...but if you were truly LAPD, i wouldnt be writing this...but dont sweat it,the next time the help call comes out in Southworst, its not going to come out on your frequency, but it will on mine, and my partner and i will be there... you wont, but we will.........so will the rest of Southbest. And that training you thanked the LAPD for, start working on those code 30's,becasue all the other stuff is perishable and you wont be getting much of the "other stuff". And like LT. De La Torre says "Adversity does not build character, it reveals it".

MagDlina,

If you want to put bad guys in jail, run around with your hair on fire,run towards the gun fire,then you'll know it in your heart and you'll be sitting in a roll call room before you know it. this blog shouldnt affect your decision to apply, if it does, then you should look for another career. this job will be what you make it....WE NEED GOOD,HARD WORKING OFFICERS...you up to the challenge? We'll be waiting..........

THE. CASTLE

Yes, I am ready for the challenge I am ready to run around with my hair on fire and to run towards gun fire.
At some point there might be false complains about me, hell, maybe even some real ones, but if I made a positive impact on a few others and was able to save a life, or was appreciated for what I did I will say I had a successfull carreer... I know it in my heart and I am willing to go above and beyond my best.
Thank you all for your support! And as for those who are not supportive... Thank you too, you are only encouraging me to not be like you and not have that type of attitude.

Alright now!! LEO The.Castle is just one of the reasons why we are the 3rd safest big city in the nation. You go LAPD!!!!!!

m Officer

Chief Bratton is very aware of the issues expressed in the Blog or through any other means of communication.

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