LAPD Disclaimer

  • Comments are moderated, and will not appear on this weblog until the monitor has approved them. We encourage you to express your opinions about current events through respectful and insightful discussion. The Department reserves the right to refuse to post those comments that contain inappropriate language and/or material. Additionally, hyper-links or E-mail addresses will not be posted. To report or help us solve a crime go to lapdonline.org. To commend an employee or report employee misconduct - click here.

LAPD Photos

  • www.flickr.com
    This is a Flickr badge showing public photos from lapdblog. Make your own badge here.

Translate


  • Disclaimer: The LAPDonline.org® website has made reasonable efforts to provide an accurate translation. However, no automated or computerized translation is perfect and is not intended to replace human or traditional translation methods. The official text is the English version of the LAPDonline.org® website. If any questions arise concerning the accuracy of the information presented by the translated version of the website, please refer to the English edition of the website, which is the official version.

Become a Fan

LAPD Blog RSS Feed

« LAPD Officer arrested for Workers’ Compensation Fraud | Main | Multi-agency Investigation Leads to the Arrest of a Suspect Wanted for Human Trafficking, Kidnapping, Burglary, and Pimping »

October 01, 2010

Comments

I know that Chief Beck had the Financial Disclosure passed down to him when he took the position of COP and that he is just doing his job by trying to sell it. However; I hope that no officers sign it and that we all stick together on this issue. Unfortunately I've heard that some officers have already sold out and signed it in order to join gang or narco units. If nobody signed it and we lost all of our gang units, it would be interesting to see how our Mayor would react since he touts himself as being tough on gangs.

The Chief said: "The City of Los Angeles agreed to the Federal Consent Decree mandates that the Department require regular and periodic financial disclosures by all officers who routinely handle valuable contraband or cash."

I appreciate and support Chief Beck and all he does for the LAPD. But with all due respect to the chief, I would like to ask the following question:

If the need for the Financial Disclosure is so logical, why aren't Property Clerks, Property Couriers, and Jail Personnel also on the list of those that need to fill out a Financial Disclosure? After all, they handle "valuable contraband and cash", and many of them do so alone and without supervision.

I know, only gang officers are devoid of trust, and even though they work with other officers and supervisors, they are all conspirators.

That's why no one has faith in the Financial Disclosure's intent.

Good news! If you choose not to sign the disclosure and go back to patrol you will only have to wait until 2012 and the Department will do away with it. Remember that Bratton, Beck, and the League all agree that it is a useless and demeaning policy. Once we have complied with the restrictions placed by Judge Feess we can get back to having the best Officers working the best assignments. Unless you think that the Department brass aren't telling the truth....

Sorry chief, I still refuse to sign. Sounds like my LT trying to pitch it to me.

Any Officer worth their salt will never sign that rag! And any Officer or supervisor that does, might as well kiss their credibility and integrity good bye. I for one will handle any and all gang related issues in my area from patrol with my fellow patrol Officers, and will not be calling any gang units with or for Intel. Selling out your fellow Officers for a "gang pin" is all I need to know about how weak an Officer is. Like my Dad used too say, "that's all I need to know about that guy!"

Good try Beck, you'll have to go after 2-year P2s who had no proper guidance; those will be the ones ready to sell out their brother and sister officers for a gang pin or to grow out a beard.

And Chief, I thought hard work was something to be respected regardless of the job you are assigned to. HOW DARE YOU SAY "I hope that you make the decision that is right for you, and one that does not let all your hard work be in vain". You're telling me that the slaps who couldn't get into a gang or narco unit before financial disclosure are somehow doing better work than the people working their tails off without that pin? I want to know if the rape victim, 459 victim, missing child, grieving mother, and the abused wife would say that all of patrol's hard work is in vain.

I'll hold my pin close to me and know that I never had to sell my soul for it. Nobody needs a pin to work gangs, I hope people remember THAT when they make their decision.

I'm looking forward to being back on a 3-12, knowing I stood strong. And when I'm looking into the eyes of a child recounting what some thug did to her, I'll be thinking of you, Mr Beck, and although you don't respect the work patrol does, I'll be working hard; for the people of this city, not for you.

AMEN to that Brother!

Very interesting. I sat in the Chief's office several months ago and listed to him try to sell Financial Disclosure. He has too. Those spots are to important to the day to day operations of this department. I also heard him say that no officer would be punished for deciding NOT to sign the disclosure. Very interesting to hear that one of my fellow officers who is an outstanding GIT detective was offered a position in Homicide, but then told he/she could not go...back to patrol please. No repurcusions, eh Chief. Right. You just made up my mind

So we are taking out our frustrations about the financial disclosure on our fellow officers? It's not just the young PII who will sign. Take a look at the officer/detective with a take home car or working a federally funded task force that is still paying cash o.t. In this economy, I'm not sure I can blame those officers for wanting the o.t. to take care of his family. We all hate the disclosure and know it is not an effective tool to uncover misconduct, but there are a lot of officers/detectives that like what they do and want to keep their assignments. Especially with no promotions or much by way of transfer opportunities. I know several senior officers/detectives from various divisions who are signing, none lack integrity. I'm glad to hear that gang officers that don't sign will continue to work, but I also hope that they are mature enough to realize that each officer has to make a decision for themselves. I won't assume to know your situation, don't assume to know mine. If you don't personally know another officer, don't attack their integrity. Officers did not create the disclosure, neither did the department. Don't sign if it's not right for you, but don't judge officers you don't know.

I'm not sure I can say it any better than "s".

This decision is an individual's to make. Look it over, if you are uncomfortable with the information required, don't sign. If you fear what the department will do with the information, whether it will be a court room discovery issue, whether PSB will have access to it, etc, don't sign.

If you don't mind, go ahead. Just do a good job when you get to the unit you wanted to go. Sometimes it doesn't matter how you get to the position you achieve, but what you do when you get there.

For those that don't sign, I hope you don't treat those that do with contempt or hold any information back from them. Your personal decision should not hurt the public's safety.
Also, I hope I don't hear anyone say "I wasn't going to sign, but since all these people did, I may as well." THAT is selling out.

As far as sticking together, look at the last contract. According to the league, 87% of those that voted cast a "yes" for ratification. That 87% came from less than half of league members. Most didn't even bother to vote. The only ones really hurt by the contract were the "workers"; those that spend countless off-days at court, extended EOWs with an arrest or follow-ups on an investigation. We gave up EVERYTHING. We as the rank and file agreed to give the city over 90 million in overtime over that year and a half, in addition to the promotion freeze that is saving another 10 plus million. We gave 100 million. Acknowledging the fiscal straits of the city, some of this was necessary: but ALL of it??? Point is: we didn't stick together on that one.

Be upset with the officer/detective who has spent the last 20 years in a position where they've worked banker's hours, never had to answer a call, put themselves in the slightest of risk, and are about to retire with the same pension as the 30 year P-3 who pushed a black and white the whole time. Meanwhile, they've been working their off-duty job and using the LAPD simply as a benefits provider.

Be upset with the League who never had meetings with us GIT members and asked us what we want to do with the disclosure. Be upset with the Directors who, although they knew South Bureau command was meeting with the GIT members, never bothered to send a director to any of the meetings.

The department, including the Chief, does not want this useless procedure any more than the League, who to their credit, legally challenged it as far as they could.

And if you choose to go back to the most important job in the department and work an A-car, hold your head high and be proud that you are doing the grunt work for the city. Take your experience and write good reports so that THAT six to four detective has no choice but to eventually clear it with an arrest. Write a search warrant as a patrol officer. Teach those around you how to do so. Then lobby the League to change "uniform bonus" to "patrol bonus" to 10%.....because you deserve it. Not having worked an A car in 8 years, I will fully support you, because patrol is the most important, yet most disrespected, job you can do in this department. Hold you head high when you give that FI to the new GED officer and allow him or her to do their job more effectively. Understand the department will do everything they can to convince you to sign it...that's the way it is. But like "s" says above: don't judge other officers for the decisions they make. And lastly: don't be stupid and retaliate, in whatever form, against those that sign. Then you are a risk management case and I guarantee, you will then see what this department is capable of doing to you and your career.


Sell your soul for that elusive, and selfish "golden ring", or stand tall and proud knowing you did the right thing for yourself, and for your brothers and sisters in blue? Is a take-home car really worth it? Is a gang-unit pin really that important? What's next, will all of us have to sign a disclosure statement next just to prove our integrity and keep our job? Honor and integrity are already the norm. don't sell out. "No man is an island"!

We'll see if the moderator even posts my last post. Oh, and before some public servant waxes about being beat up on a blog by other officers? TOUGH, this is a technologically advanced time we live in, so if you don't like being called out for your weakness, don't turn on your computer!

It is what it is. Sign or don't sign. A few people refusing to sign aren't going to "strong arm" the department and the federal judge into doing away with this. No officer wants this but it's this way. Peer pressure and belittling the officers who do sign is immature and embarassing. If you don't want to sign don't sign. Officers it's your choice and your choice only. Don't let the disclosure hold you back from doing something you want to do.

Public servant? What does that even mean? Believe me, no one is beating up on me. Sounds like your're the one who can't take it; the reality that some will sign, some won't and life will go on. The point is, the financial disclosure is an awful thing, but no officer created it and we shouldn't take it out on eachother. Be mad at the judge, be mad at the bad officers who put us in the position, but not at the guy who makes an informed decision one way or the other.

If you don't know what the term "Public Servant" means why are you even a police officer? Unreal. As for the "Officers" that brought us the CD and the FD, It was Perez, and Durden, both are gone. So educate yourself before you speak about any other bad"officers" that forced this nonsense on us. The other officers that were named by Perez won a major 15 million dollar settlement against the city for railroading them and demonizing them with zero facts to support their involvement in the Rafael Perez scandal. Not to mention the countless officers that were sent home for years while they were investigated and threatened with prison for simply having the unfortunate circumstance of working in anywhere near Rampart gangs. And if you sign the FD you are what you are! I'm not "mad" at anyone that signs the FD, just disgusted in them. And that includes D3's down to P2's! SPU units and other resources will pick up the slack if there are no gang or narco units after march.

Oh and "S" Man up tough guy and stand up! You sound like you one of the weak ones willing to sign. Very telling, that you pound your chest on this blog! Because I haven't heard ONE SINGLE OFFICER spout off like you are here! Try that in an OSB or an OCB gang task force briefing and we'll see how tough skinned you are then.

Signing or not signing is a personal decision based on lots of things relevant to a point in one's career. Just like the hailstorm that took place when a polygraph became required to go into narcotics, this too will become a non-issue. I see the FD going the way of the long sleeve shirt and tie in the near future. All this banter about the FD is taking away from REAL problem solving.

I can either sign it and get my last year's extension in GED, or go do something else. Run your name through google and some of the people search engines and you will see what a red herring the FD is. Again, make a decision from being informed, not as a member of a pack of sheep that thinks and acts the same.

Everyone be safe.

P.S. Yes, the SPU units can pick the slack. But gang intel inputted into gang databases will dry out, since you have to be assigned to a gang unit to input information. Since the LAPD inputs the bulk of gang information into the statewide gang database, a reduction will have statewide impact on crime solving. Just in the name of being a "stand up" guy or gal with people who couldn't care less about your career.

Do what's right for you.

This Department has a long history of some employees doing very selfish and self-serving things. That is why we are left dealing with the aftermath. Sign or don't sign, that is your choice. Personally, I like the fact that I have never caved-in to selfish and self-serving thoughts or actions. My work-ethic, integrity, loyalty to my peers, all speaks for itself, not my title, unit, rank, paygrade or assignment/designation.

If the CalGangs dries up due to weak LAPD gang units, then so be it!

Hey T if its so bad here just do us all a favor and leave. Im sure you believe you are the hardest cop in history on this blog, but Im positive you arent the tough guy you say you are. What have you worked and how much time you have on the job?

Hey "j" If guys like "T" and I left, you building squatters would be forced to come out from beneath your desks and acually do police work. My working resume is filled with actual experience that guys like you wish you had. Sure you'll come on this blog and talk tough, but it's true workers like us that put in Gods work out there and cowards like you just talk tough. GARONTEE we've been involved in far more, and put more hard corps felons in prison for far longer than you could ever imagine. The department is filled with admin types like you ( I can only imagine that's why you're so offended by the truth officers like us speak) who cannot and will not EVER be real policemen. We worked gangs before you were bagging groceries, or getting fed a bottle before your nap. As for how bad it is? it's only that bad because you and your kind have failed to stand up and be counted on. You are truly a failure and have failed the citizens you propose to be protecting. Face it, you're weak.

All you guys talking about signing the FD are failing our city and your fellow officers. You're a bunch of self serving turncoats!

The way I see it is simple. I have nothing to hide. However, that does not mean it is anyone's business what my financial situation is. I have the same dang rights as ex-cons, parolees, prostitutes, gangmembers, child molesters and murderers. If you think I am dirty, GET A WARRANT!!!!!! I HAVE RIGHTS! All of you who want to sign away your rights, have at it. I will continue to work patrol and PROTECT MY RIGHTS!!! And my spouse's rights. And my children's rights.

That t guy is a very angry guy. Must of been one of those cops picked on in high school.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Chief Charlie Beck

Text-A-Tip

WebTip


Nixle


April 2014

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30      

iWATCH